女主持人：这件事对你来说很有争议。你惹上了麻烦，因为你不肯用跨性别者希望的名称来称呼他们。
Jordan：不，那不是事实。我遇到的麻烦是，因为我说我不会支持联邦政府和地方政府推行的“强迫言论”的法令，我并没有因为不愿意用任何称谓来称呼任何人而陷入什么麻烦，那并没有发生。
女主持人：你不愿意遵守旨在消除歧视的法律修订？
Jordan：不是现行法律，当局声称法律的修订就是这个目的，好吗。
女主持人：你当时提到言论自由。凭什么你的言论自由可以凌驾于跨性者不想被冒犯的权利？
Jordan：因为，为了获得思辨能力，你必须冒着冒犯他人的风险。我是说，看看我们这场访谈，你很明显非常愿意冒犯我，只为了追求你想要的“真相”。为什么你觉得你有权力这么做？这已经让我很不舒服了。
女主持人：哦，我很高兴我成功让你感到难堪。我很高兴我行使了我的言论自由。
Jordan：对，你现在懂我想表达什么了吗？我想说的就是，你所做的正是你应该做的，就是试着挖掘、探寻，看看前方到底有什么？这就是你该做的，你在行使言论自由的时候，必定会冒着冒犯我的风险，而这并没有问题。依照我的立场，我完全支持你这么做。
女主持人：但是你并没有坐以待毙，嗯......让我想想该怎么讲
（白左女主持当场被自己的逻辑打败，表情相当尴尬。）
Jordan：哈，逮到你了，
女主持人：你确实逮到我了，算你狠，我正试着思考...... 这得花点时间。
Jordan：确实需要。
that's been very controversial for you
and
this is you got in trouble
for refusing to call trans men and women
by their preferred personal pronouns
no that's not actually true
I got in trouble
because I said I would not follow the
compelled speech
dictates of the federal and provincial government
I actually never got in trouble for not calling
anyone anything
right that didn't happen
you wouldn't follow the
change of law which was designed
not what was law
no no
well that's what they said it was designed to do okay
you cited freedom of speech in that
why should your right to freedom of speech
Trump a trans person's
right not to be offended
because in order to be able to think
you have to risk being offensive
I mean look at the conversation we're having right now
you know like
you're certainly willing to risk offending me
in the pursuit of truth
why should you have the right to do that
it's been rather uncomfortable
well I'm very glad I put you on the spot
but you get my point
you get my point
it's like you're doing what you should do
which is digging a bit to see what the hell's going on
and that is what you should do
but you're exercising your freedom of speech to
certainly risk offending me
and that's fine
I think more power to you as far as I'm concerned
so you haven't sat there and
I'm just trying I'm just trying to work that out I mean
ha got you you have got me you have got me
I'm trying to work that through my head
yeah yeah it took a while took a while
it did it did yeah took a while
